J: “Real” is a concept of your invention that is present nowhere in Creation. Therefore, everything you see IS certainly “real” otherwise, you would not SEE it. I merely teach that what you make “real” is not True and therefore, it is only “real” for you. Nothing I have ever taught can be “seen” to be learned. Nevertheless, once it is known it will be “seen” everywhere, because it IS everywhere.
M: What do you mean everything I see, I make real? I see it because it’s real. If it wasn’t real I wouldn’t see it.
J: Reality for you is entirely contingent on bodily sensation. Without sensing an embodied ‘self,’ you do not believe YOU could be “real,” simply because the body represents an external world for which to contrast an internal ‘self’ against.
You do believe “you” are both “inside” and “outside” and it is this distinction that defines “hell.”
It is an outside “world” that limits you, because you believe you were created from IT. Nevertheless, you were Created without limits or conditions of any kind, but find it necessary to limit your ‘self’ through an "outside" world. All limits you make real and that is what you experience, because you believe nothing can be experienced separate from what can be sensed as “real.”
Truth is certain, simply because it is what YOU are. However, sensation will have absolutely nothing to do with that experience until Truth is learned and then sensation will adjust accordingly, since it will have no reason to resist any longer.
M: So nothing you teach can be found in the world?
J: Truth “can be found in the world” because when you learn it, you will SEE nothing else, no matter what direction you “look.” This is contingent on “learning,” but only because you require it be learned. Truth need not be learned, since it IS, whether you learn it or NOT. Understand this and learning is complete.
However, if you see it nowhere you look, then what you SEE is meaningless because, although you call it “real” it is not in any way True.
M: So how can I perceive the world as meaningless when I still must respond to it as if it were real?
J: You do not believe your dreams are “real” and, in judging that what you “perceive” is nothing more than a dream, you have no need of fear in judging that you could easily brush it all away with a wave of your hand. Yet, why do that, when it is yours to make as you choose with no limits to what CAN be experienced.
The concept of “real” limits you and, thus, determines the conditions of your suffering. Nevertheless, it is a concept of your invention and can be easily brushed aside if you so choose.
M: So I should respond to the world as if it were a dream?
J: To respond “as if” is a poor attempt to deny the reality you demand by calling it “real.” It is REAL to you and to deny this only results in the misunderstanding that calls reality an “illusion,” but continues to advise that you seek rewards from what is not there. How can what is NOT there, reward you?
Creation extends Truth, but you make reality instead and, therefore, your reward is suffering because what believes Truth can be absent, can only suffer from an absence that is NOT True. Only Truth rewards, simply by nature of what IT IS and it is undeniably YOU.